The following one is admittedly a bit murky, namely because we don't have solid proof that she did have a cesarean - some think it's a tummy tuck. I'll concede that I don't know for sure, although the image tags were for "childbirth" and "c-section." That said, it got me thinking - just because my cesarean scars don't look like this, doesn't mean others' won't.
Jade, is secretary for the group Special Scars - Special Women, told me that it could be either, in her opinion. She told me that through her organization, she had seen several women cut "hip to hip" and relayed that her own scar made it look like she'd "had intestinal surgery, not a cesarean," with a scar that "went halfway down my vagina up past my belly button." She then went on to say she'd just heard of a mom who VBACed with a "plus sign" scar. I wasn't even aware that such a thing existed.
Many women contributing to message boards online have commented they, too, were cut hip to hip, and experience scar tissue adhesions and serious pain. No one ever expects this to happen, and the idea that because cesareans are performed every day that therefore they are "safe" is prevalent. Does this represent the majority of women? No. But does any woman going in for a cesarean ever think, "This might happen to me?" I know I didn't.
Thankfully, no, it didn't happen to me, either. But that doesn't mean I don't still struggle with emotions and feelings based on my experiences, either. These graphics are definitely not designed to make women feel angry about themselves or bad, otherwise I'd be attacking myself, wouldn't I?
Someone felt that the image was "anti-pregnancy" - I'm still not sure why. As someone with three children, who possibly wants to become pregnant with a fourth, I can't think of anything more "anti-pregnancy" than the message that repeat cesareans are always necessary. For the women who want more children, it sends a definite anti-pregnancy message: that you shouldn't have more than two or three children, and if you do, it could pose serious complications. What do you do? Assume the risks, or accept the grief and loss of a pregnancy that never happened, yet was very desired? Many women limit their family size because they do not want to go through that again, and some days I'm not sure I do, either. Yet I don't feel totally prepared to completely let go of the idea of the family size that's perfect for me. It may not be your ideal, but you are not everyone. And if there's one thing I've learned in pregnancy advocacy, that just because things went a particular way for me does not mean they go that way for everyone. Or even that they should.
Perhaps you remember the story of the two teachers - who were friends - that both went in for a cesarean section and both died. Unusual? Yes. Impossible? No. Do you really think these women, or their families, friends and loved ones, expected this to happen? Does anyone, ever? I know I never did.
I used to think that once I knew I was on my last pregnancy, then I'd have a VBAC. Once I knew I wouldn't be using that uterus anymore, just in case there were complications - then'd I have a VBAC. What kind of stupid crap logic is that? It isn't logic. At all. The women I truly feel badly for are those who never saw it as a big deal - until they're about to give birth to their third or fourth child and have already had two or three cesareans. Then it becomes a very big deal, and unfortunately you're surrounded with "I told you so's" and "Just do the cesarean," at a time when it is crucial - but extremely difficult - to find a supportive care giver.
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| Photo credit: Meghan S. Rodberg (mystery solved!) |
Ahh... the "healthy baby" argument. I don't think anyone says, "Screw that cesarean, I don't care if the baby dies!" unless there's seriously something wrong there. I've come to the conclusion, that yes, a healthy baby matters, but the journey to that healthy baby matters, too. And sometimes, the interventions - including cesareans - are necessary for that healthy outcome. And sometimes ... they aren't. I think this is something many, many people are in denial about. I probably was, too, before I knew anything about pregnancy and birth.
I noticed something peculiar when reading comments and stories regarding childbirth and traumatic events. People do not want to hear about it. They don't want to believe that it's possible that, in this day and age, or at any time in our rich history of superior care and knowledge, that there's ever been a time when pregnant women have been mistreated or disrespected. How could a physician do an "unnecessary" cesarean? Those stories about 'hurrying up your birth to go to a golf game' are just myths!" When women open up about horrifying, traumatic births, you hear some of the most bizarre, ugly, nasty remarks - that they deserve it, that they are "selfish" for wanting the "experience," this that and the other. There can be some incredibly chilling, horrific detail and they'll skip right over it and nitpick about something else that has little if anything to do with the main story. Or they'll accuse her of lying.
I noticed, though, that the same thing happens in miscarriage and abortion stories, too. Whenever an outcome is less-than-perfect, a loss occurs - even if it's a lost "experience" - people want to shut you up. If you grieve an abortion, well, "You made this decision and now you're forced to live with it." I wrote a post about miscarriage grief and how no one wanted to talk about it, and several chimed in that when they tried to express their grief and sorrow over pregnancy loss, they were unfriended, blocked, deleted and ignored.
So when a woman does have a "healthy" baby but had to go through absolute living hell to get there, all people see is the baby - not the mother with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, postpartum depression, thoughts or feelings of inadequacy or grief over something that she wished had turned out differently, and maybe could have turned out differently. I think back to my own experiences - when a doctor that I trusted told me that my baby was really head down, even though I insisted it was his head butting me in the ribs - but I trusted my doctor. That should have been enough, right? If something went badly because of a decision you made, you still get blamed for not knowing enough, not trying hard enough, not doing this, not doing that.
This one already needs to be updated because, sadly, the cesarean rate is higher than that now. In fact, in my household, the c-section rate is 66 percent.
When I first posted this, there were, again, mixed feelings. Those idiotic Occupy Wall Street memes were everywhere, and somehow I felt this would fit right in. In my wording, I wanted to be sure not to a) blame the mother, b) not to say "Your cesarean will always be awful and you should definitely! have a VBAC!" I had a sort of wonderful VBAC, which doesn't mean you will - and it doesn't mean you won't, either. I realized somewhere along the way that if Cesarean Awareness is really going to work, it should start before the second birth - in reality, maybe before pregnancy even takes place.
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| Image: (c) Brian Creswick, fotalia.com Many thanks to Robin Weiss, Lcce for providing the image content. |
"Hope has two beautiful daughters: their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." - Saint Augustine





18 comments:
The name in the corner of the apple picture is Meghan S. Rodberg.
Thanks so much! I will give her credit. :)
That's so funny, because now I can see it when I click on the photo above. When I saw it on Facebook it was pixelated.
Thanks for speaking out about this topic.
I have a big ropey vertical scar that would make anyone question the belief that c/s are easy, and I wear it with pride.
I have never felt like the smashed apple, and I think that is because:
-My medical team included a midwife with 37 years of natural birthing experience and MFM, who worked together respectfully
-No one at the hospital where I was on HBR and then delivered denigrated natural birth or my desire for a natural birth
-In conversations with my care providers, they were careful to distinguish between evidence and gut feeling
-I was given options and I knew that my preferences mattered
-I had a c/s at 29w with severe pre-e, IUGR baby, large fibroids low in my uterus, as a first time mom with a Bishop's score of +1
By the time we made the decision to go forward with the c/s I felt peace about making the best of a bad situation. That peace would have been much harder to find if I felt disrespected or railroaded.
I totally agree, Mary. Support and respect from caregivers can make such a difference. Thanks for your comment.
"Ahh... the "healthy baby" argument. I don't think anyone says, "Screw that cesarean, I don't care if the baby dies!" unless there's seriously something wrong there."
Sadly, one of my childbirth ed. students said exactly that. She'd rather die, and have the baby die, before she'd have a c-section. :-( She did end up having one, and a very necessary one at that. Traumatic for all parties involved.
That really is terrible. :(
I have been criticized for "fear mongering," and yet really how is it any different than people who tell their pregnant friends, "Vaginal birth is horrible and painful - you should just have a cesarean!"?
I think people raise a stink even if its a vaginal birth! they are under the notion that "it happens I just dont want to know about it or see it" I know of women who had vaginal births that freaked when they actually saw how big 10 cm looked on them,and they thought things would never "bounce back" and they did. society as a whole has put up a screen to the situation because of tv shows and reality tv like a baby story. those women freak out in labor, I dont want that to be the example of what "normal" birth is. sad really the lack of education people seek out now and just take it as what tv shows as normal.
The first picture is by Wesley Furgiuele: www.flickr.com/photos/wespionage/304594029/in/set-72157602153892507
He himself says in the comments: "It's the result of corrections to the way C-sections healed internally."
I have to say that I think this topic is so blown out of proportion. My children are teenagers now but I had them all via c-section. With the first one, I was 18 hours in labor and the doctor went for the c-section once he realized I had been in labor for too long, with little progress, and both me and the baby were at risk. That c-section saved both our lives and the recovery was not that big of a deal and you can barely see my scars. Understood that it is a major surgery and as any surgery it can come with complications to some women but what are you supposed to do? My doctor and I didn't plan for a c-section but in the end the baby needed to come out somehow and he wasn't coming out vaginally. Once you decide to have a baby you need to realize that not everything might go as planned. I had the other two babies via csection (my choice) because there is no way I was going to be in labor again for 18 hours to end up having surgery anyway. My babies were healthy and so was I. Some minor discomfort but there is medication for that and 18 years later my kids are alive and so am I. And for the record it took the doctor less time to get the baby out than to do my stitches. At least for me I think some women are just way over dramatic. Just suck it up. Parenthood is much harder.
"Just suck it up"? Are you serious?
Try and put yourself in the position of a mom who doesn't want a cesarean, and doesn't need one. I suppose that's all relative, huh? If you happy to be unlucky enough to have a doctor who induces you to the point of fetal distress just to get the baby out, who throws your birth plan into the garbage when you leave the office, who foils your plans to give birth naturally and literally wants to make you squirm in pain the entire time so you'll "beg" for an epidural, well no wonder you'd have a cesarean. I can speak for many when I say that second and third time labors are usually much shorter than the first - while you made your choice, many women have shorter, easier labors than the first. Many women want to give birth vaginally but can't - not because they're broken or something is wrong, but because their doctors won't "let them" because they're afraid of getting sued, don't want to wait around for you to labor... Care provider preference is usually what determines what route a mother will take when planning a repeat cesarean vs. a VBAC and it has nothing to do with patient safety or the mother's wishes and everything to do with the doctor basically coercing the mother into doing what he wants. Been there, done that.
You can only speak for yourself. Plenty of people agree with you and think it's no big deal. But please don't speak for those of us who think it is a big deal and want to see more women given better options when it comes to childbirth. It's more than just pushing out a baby to some of us, and you have no idea the horrific experiences some women have had. Well, at least you have a healthy baby! Forget if the mom is healthy, who cares! *eyeroll*
Olwen, thank you so much for including the name of the photographer and the original link to the first photo. It is greatly appreciated.
I had my first child in Germany, where after I had my baby boy via cesarean (severe pre-e), the doctor came in the next morning and I asked her if it was ever possible to have a natural child birth again. She looked at me astonished and ask me "Why not?". When I came to the US and was pregnant with my second son, doctors were telling me horror stories about uterus rupture etc.
A man who was the head doctor at a NJ hospital told me that uterine ruptures happen as frequently as airplane crashes. He wanted to convince me with this logic to have a c-sec at this place (He had a picture on his desk with him sitting on a motorcycle- what irony).
I was at the end of my second trimester when I met my midwife who gave me my right to have a natural childbirth. Which I did and it was beautiful (I am not going to lie - painful as hell, but beautiful!) It was so good that I decided to do it one more time!
If you would make $ 150,000 a year, would you not rather schedule an appointment at 8:30 in the morning, to do what you know best, like almost doing dishes in the morning, just cutting open women (they got big insurance policies don't kid yourself) than sitting next to a screaming (oh yes child labor is intense), sweating, emotionally charged woman? If you look at it from the perspective of a male doctor, like the one I met, sure that this is the easiest and safest way (because doing c-sec is what he knows best).
In my books, believes, experiences, (what ever you may want to call it) c-section are a cultural thing, they happen in the US because doctors don't receive proper education (and oh yeah I do know some of the medical students personally), the general acceptance for normal sexuality, and chic (which prominent figure or executive did not wanted to bother a massive time cut - like you would be doing things with that c-sec anyways - be happy if you can walk at a normal pace after one week - but this are never the things that doctors will prepare you for, especially when you are a first time mom). Go in a different country and the whole situation will be different.
Don't get me wrong, there are times when c-sec are necessary and we should all thank our medical advances, as I had a c-sec for medical reasons, and no it was not the end of the world. There are some incredible good doctors out there that will be of great value to some of you. But please - never forget about your own feelings of what is necessary, believe in your body, because it has the ability to make human beings - from scratch :) - so it has also the natural ability to give birth, just believe in yourself.
And when you don't like the first doctor you met, believe me there are doctors like sand in the ocean.
Thank you for starting such an interesting discussion.
TK
I really wish i had seen this before I had my son, after 2 successful vaginal delieverys I had to get a new doctor because mine retired, and thought nothing of it....what could go wrong? right? wrong! knowing nothing about c-sections (thinking I would never have/need one) I was pressured into induction and after 12 hours of passing out between contractions my "doctor" who had already broken my water, left me no choice but to have a c-section or loose the baby i dont care about the risks if i have another it will be a vbac. I was is so much pain that the meds were not even enough. months after im still in pain any time i do anything, and my belly is hard an sticks out so much now. As well as nerve damage i suffered. I have no feeling of pain/hot/cold directly above my scar for a few inches. I just wish i knew what i do now, girls need to be tought about this when they lern about menstration in school, we dont all have mothers to guide us and support us in our time of need. Even now as i suffer from ptsd and ppd support is so hard to find
The top picture is definitely a tummy tuck. I am an obstetrician and caesarean scars are much smaller than that. Ignorance.
The top picture is definitely a tummy tuck. I am an obstetrician and caesarean scars are much smaller than that. Ignorance.
To the above commenter: The photographer himself, the husband of this woman, said that it was from cesarean repair. Perhaps you'd like to email him yourself and ask?
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